Vol. 2 Number 8, August 1996
Editor-Andy Neckar

Inside This Newsletter

1. How Far Will This Ecumenism Go?
2. Catechesis on Immaculate Conception of Mary
3. NEWS WATCH
4. CNV"S NOTES

How Far Will This Ecumenism Go?

The following information has been excerpted from an article by Dennis Huspenl in the Colorado Springs Gazette Telegraph. May 19,1996.

A new foundation based in Colorado Springs hopes to wipe away the generations of hurt, misconceptions, stereotypes, distrust, and often hate between Jews and Christians.

Howard Hiesch, rabbi of Temple Shalom, created the Center for Christian-Jewish Dialogue after meeting with other local religious leaders from different denominations and background, who have learned to respect one another despite theological differences.

The centers board has members of some of the most influential churches, and religious organizations in Colorado. The Rev. Ted Haggard of New Life Church, …Dr. O. Gerald Trigg of First United Methodist and Rabbi Steven Foster of Congregational Emanuel in Denver are just a few. …Bishop Richard Hanifen, head of the Colorado Springs Catholic Diocese is also a board member.

The article goes on to say, "The primary difference between Christianity and Judaism comes in how each views Jesus Christ."

"Christians believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and the Messiah. Christians believe that to enter the Kingdom of God, you must accept Jesus Christ as your Savior."

Jews look at Jesus-at the most-as a charismatic religious leader and influential teacher. Jews adhere to the teachings of the Torah-the first five books of the Bible-as the basis of their relationship with God".

The hopes of the Center is to pave the way to true understanding. The tool that the Center wants to use-as the name implies-is talk.

[But I thought all Christians already understood that the Jews are lost if they haven't accepted Jesus Christ as Savior. Isn't that the true understanding we get from God's Word, the Bible? The primary difference then, becomes a difference between heaven and hell. A pretty big difference, I would say. Now, I would say this because God says it in His Word, the Bible.]

"There has been so much hatred and antagonism between Christians and Jews down through the centuries", said James Dobson, founder and president of Focus on the Family. "That couldn't be pleasing to God."

Dobson, an advisory board member for the center, on Monday will air a radio program in which he and Hirsch will discuss the new center and why it's needed.

"I believe nothing but good can come from increased dialogue and harmony between Christians and Jews," Dobson said.

[The apostle John tells me all I need to know about James Dobson.] (1 John 2:17-18)

"Center staff members who work on a volunteer basis, say the board is not interested in 'homogenizing' either religion into one, or converting anyone to another's beliefs."

[I say why talk? God does not command us to talk to the lost, and Judaism is lost. God says preach the gospel. Talking does not cut to the quick and convict, but preaching the gospel of Christ does.]

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (KJV)

"There can be civility and dialog and understanding between people with different world views," says Dobson.

[That's true of different world views, but not different religious views. Our perception of world views may not lose our soul, but our understanding of religious views could send our souls to hell for now, and the lake of fire for eternity.]

Hirsch said the similarities between the two sides are more plentiful than most think.

"Jews need to recognize (Jesus Christ) as one of the great figures of history, and a charismatic teacher who spread Jewish values throughout the world." He said.

"On the other hand, I truly believe Christians need to be fully aware of Jesus' Jewish roots."

[On the other hand, Judaism needs to go to hell ( for rejecting Jesus Christ as Savior) with intelligent recognition. Is that it? Hey-I didn't say that-- Jesus did. Take it up with Him, OK?]

Roman Catholic Bishop Hanifen thinks the two groups have much in common. "The link is we both believe in God," he said.

[But what does that do if that's all we have in common? Conjoin us to Satan?]

James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. (KJV)

Board member Martin Zelinsky, a conservative Jew and local businessman says, "A lot of our political views come from religious backgrounds. "Understanding those roots and backgrounds, means we can speak without hatred. That will better serve our community, both locally and nationally."

[Oh! Now I get it. This religious dialog is politically based, so as to better serve our community and nation. For awhile I thought it had something to do with serving God. Jesus Christ does have something to do with out political views though. He's been a trouble maker from the word go. It's because of His teachings that we don't accept un-believing Jews as brothers. It's because of His teachings that we have this intolerance of homosexuality. It's because of His teachings we abhor divorce and same sex marriages. It's because of His teachings that we are at odds with our liberal government, and our liberal media, It's because of His teachings we cannot unify with the Roman Catholic, United Methodist, United Church of Christ, well, almost all denominations. It's because of His teachings that I write what I write. And if you don't like what I write it's His fault, not mine. I just do what I'm told. OK?]

This article may sound sarcastic, and in a way it is. But it's the leaders who know the Word of God and are deceiving the public that I sharply rebuke. It's the "wolves" in sheep's clothing, those who have heard the truth, know the truth, and have rejected the truth, that I defy in this editorial.
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How Fundamentalists Should Defend The Faith:
As we "contend for the faith," we should ever strive to do so without being mean-spirited or unkind. We must "speak the truth in love." However, if we are "earnestly contending" it would be unrealistic not to expect at times to be misunderstood or even ridiculed. Love, indeed, means loving people enough to tell them the truth and to warn them of those who in the name of love pervert the truth. Accordingly, our compassion is mainly directed to the uninformed multitudes and young Christians who need to be protected from deceivers and dangerous leaders. Jesus had compassion on the multitudes, but publicly rebuked erring leaders. {A good example of this is Matthew 23:}
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The following is taken from the "Vatican Information Service", published by the "Holy See Press Office". Wednesday, May 29, 1996

Catechesis on Immaculate Conception of Mary
In this morning's general audience the Pope spoke on the Immaculate Conception, and reminded the 21,000 pilgrims present in St. Peter's Square that, along with Luke's passage on the Annunciation, Tradition and the Magisterium have seen in the so-called Protogospel a scriptural source on the truth of this dogma.

In the Protogospel the enmity between woman and her lineage, on the one hand, and the serpent and its descendants, on the other, is proclaimed. This hostility established by God demands a total absence of sin in Mary from the beginning of her life. In addition, in this unique privilege conceded to Mary, the beginning of a new order, fruit of friendship with God, is instinctually known.

John Paul II said that Chapter 12 of the Apocalypse, which speaks of the 'woman dressed as the sun,' is also cited frequently as biblical testimony in favor of the Immaculate Conception of Mary. This image can be interpreted as an expression of the loving care of the Father who envelopes Mary in the grace of Christ and the splendor of the Spirit.

Also in the Apocalypse, the ecclesial dimension of the personality of Mary is recognized: the woman dressed as the sun represents the holiness of the Church, which is fully realized in the Blessed Virgin, by virtue of a singular grace.

The interpretations of Scripture on the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception could seem to contradict the teaching of St. Paul that all of humanity - with the exception of Christ - has sinned and needs God's grace. But the parallel between Adam and Christ is completed with the parallel between Eve and Mary .... It was important that, like Christ, the new Adam, Mary too, the new Eve, not know sin and so be more apt to cooperate in the redemption.

[Editor] If the Roman Catholic Church has the power to refute the Apostle Paul, rather yet the Holy Spirit of God, as all scripture is inspired of the Holy Spirit, I would say that church has more power than God Himself.

If the Roman Church has the power to declare that God created a sinless woman to cooperate in the plan of redemption, why then, did not God have the power to create a sinless man to die for the sins of his fellow man?? You know, all it took was for a sinless man to die in out stead to satisfy God. Why did "God Incarnate" have to die in our stead?

Could it be that God just loves to suffer and die for His sinful and worthless creatures? Or could it be that God, possessing all knowledge, knew that there was no other recompense for man's sin?

The answer to the last two ridiculous questions are found in God's Book, (The Bible), you know.]

"The interpretations of Scripture on the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception could seem to contradict the teaching of St. Paul that all of humanity - with the exception of Christ - has sinned and needs God's grace".

[The interpretations of the Roman Church on the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception , not Scripture, do contradict, not seem to contradict, not only the teachings of Paul, but the utterances of the prophets as well. Utterances such as: Ps 14:2-3; Isa 64:6]
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NEWS WATCH

According to an article in the July 14 Fort Worth Star Telegram by religion editor Jim Jones, "Episcopalians are staying together despite bitter battles over the ordaining of homosexuals".

"The latest example of that came recently when 10 Episcopal bishops who accused Bishop Walter Righter of heresy for ordaining a noncelibate homosexual announced that they would not appeal a church court ruling dismissing the charge against the bishop".

"The bishops-including Fort Worth Bishop Jack Iker and Dallas Bishop James Stanton-decided not to appeal the church ruling, which stated that the Episcopal Church has no clear doctrine prohibiting the ordination of gays and lesbians".

What can I say? or any true Christian for that matter. If the Episcopal Church has no clear doctrine prohibiting the ordination, or even the inclusivism of gays and lesbians, then, THEIR BIBLE IS NOT MY BIBLE, the Word of God. THEIR GOD IS NOT MY GOD, the God of the Bible. And THEIR JESUS IS NOT MY JESUS, the Son of the God of the Bible.

On one hand, it doesn't take a scholar to understand what my Bible (KJV) says. On the other hand, I am so happy that I am not a scholar, as it appears that many, if not most scholars are in darkness.

I can say that all "True Christians" believe as the Bible teaches, that a pastor of Christians must be a fellow Christian. Simple! Huh? Now, concerning homosexuals, read 1 Cor 6::9-10. Concerning pastors, (bishops) read 1 Timothy 3: and Titus 1: Why is understanding so hard for many religious leaders? It is because they are in darkness. Sinners, (ravaging wolves) have crept in unawares, (Matt 7:15-21; Acts 20:29-30) pretending to be Christians. Sinners have no light. They are in darkness.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. (KJV)

2 Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? (KJV)

Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (KJV)

I would say to anyone with the light of Christ still in the Episcopal Church, NOW IS PAST TIME TO GET OUT.
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Excerpted from a news article in the July 15 issue of USA Today.
(Contributed by a reader in Arizona:)

Sen. Edward Kennedy was working up one of his classic moments of indignation, this time over the congressional plan to limit gay marriages. He spit out the phases; "Meanspirted." Legislative gay basking." A highly disguised example of intolerance."

"I'm not going to be interrupted," the imposing Massachusetts Democrat barked at a fellow senator who was trying to defend himself. Then he continued to excoriate Republicans for injecting the attack against gay marriage into the heat of a political year.

"I don't know of many issues that are more important," Senate Judiciary Chairman Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, countered, proceeding with his hearing on the Defense of Marriage Act, which is barreling through Congress. "There are some values that deserve protection."

It would seem like the worst of times for gay Americans. Their most intimate relationships are being portrayed as a threat to family values and traditional marriage. Even President Clinton, usually sympathetic to gay causes , has deserted the community on the marriage issue.

The irony is that beyond gay marriage and other hot-button issues, among them the Southern Baptist protest against Walt Disney Co.'s domestic partnership benefits and repeated attempts in Congress to requite the discharge of HIV-positive military personnel, gay activities can claim progress on many fronts.

[Editor] The only reason Clinton has deserted the gay community on the marriage issue is because of poll results. Results such as the USA Today/CNN/Gallop Poll of 1001 adults who were asked if they would vote for, or against a law that would give legal recognition to marriages between homosexual couples in their state.

The Results of that particular poll was; For--28% and Against 67% with 5% of No Opinion.
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'Politically Correct' Hymnals.
The near frantic production of new hymnals in mainline Protestant denominations that emphasize pluralism, inclusivism, multiculturalism, and environmentalism is especially evident in the ecumenical New Century Hymnal, endorsed by the United Church of Christ (7/15 Christianity Today). Very few hymns are addressed to God the Father or Son. God is sometimes blasphemously depicted as bisexual or androgynous-containing both masculine and feminine traits. The Trinity is questioned when we rejoice in "our Father who lifts us when we fall, and our Mother who gives us birth."

YOUR COMMENTS
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Dear Editor Andy Neckar:

I was bewildered to hear in your July 96 Newsletter that an independent church's leader would make such an profoundly immoral statement that President Clinton is more deeply spiritual then any other president in recent years. This is a sinister comment from Ed Dobson of Calvary Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan. To think that this man is an evangelist, makes me fearful to think what is happening to America. I hope that things change soon. God's wrath will be unmerciful. We Christians need to stop being impervious to people talking that homosexuals activities should be sanctioned. We all should berate them for their repulsive sin. America is in a immoral tailspin. Do we want to go down with them?

Sincerely
D.W. Arizona

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