Published by Andy Neckar.
P.O. Box J Hico, TX 76457
Vol. 5, Number 7, July-August 1999

Editor-Andy Neckar
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Inside This Newsletter

1. Debate Over Gays/Homosexuals Forcing Choice Between Love and Truth.
2. A Tale of Two Sisters
3. Do I Underestimate The Power Of The Holy Spirit?
4. What is Worldly?
5. Goat Herders
6. Churches Inoculating Children Against Salvation
7. News Watch
8. CNV NOTES

 

Debate Over Gays/Homosexuals Forcing Choice Between Love and Truth.
(Excerpts taken from the "Fort Worth Star Telegram" 7/22/99, as taken from the "Chicago Tribune")

The article begins by stating, "Love or truth? Religious faith involves many choices, but that's not supposed to be one of them. Still, as the heated debates over homosexuality and Christianity grow continually more polarized, that is the shorthand on the wall".

"The people who want to maintain traditional church teachings that sex belongs inside a marriage between a man and a woman say they are standing up for truth". "The people who want to give church blessing to homosexual relationships -- by celebrating gay unions, or ordaining openly gay ministers, or tailoring liturgy to gays -- say they are on the side of love". "Of course everybody on both sides believes he is serving love and truth. It would be impossible to be a sincere Christian and believe otherwise, and this debate is filled with sincere Christians"

[Editor] There are those wanting to serve a God of love, and as the article says, they believe that this God wants "gays and lesbians to be valued as human beings, and reconciled with their families and the church".

There are those that want to serve a God of truth, and they believe that this God desires TRUTH over LOVE. In both cases, the feelings run deep, and resolution seems further away than ever.

NOW--this editor says that truth and love cannot be compatible if LOVE interferes with TRUTH. The Christian "perfect law of liberty" does not allow us to divide love and truth into neat, separate packages, and choose ONE or the OTHER.

To me the Christian life is based on LOVE OF THE TRUTH. The truth I speak of is the truth of GOD"S WORD. Folks, if love causes a Christian to compromise truth, even a "portion" of truth, it is NOT "Christian love". Christian love "foremost" wants what is best for the other in a true spiritual sense, as defined "according to the scriptures". Christian love does not wish for a soul to disobey the "clear teachings" of God's Word as found in the Holy Scripture. The Christian is not to compromise God's Word in the name of physical or worldly love. This is to say that we are not to be silent of sin that condemns one to an eternal hell in the name of Christian love. Folks, this would be Christian "hate" rather then love. If you "love" someone, do you want to do something that can send that person to hell, if only that thing that you do is remain silent and condone that destructible sin in the name of love?

Those that want to "reconcile gays and lesbians with their families and the church", are WRONG. Where in scripture does it tell us to do this? What does the scripture say about reconciliation?

Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Eph 2:16 says Christ came to reconcile us to "God". Col 1:20 says Christ came to reconcile us to "Himself". JESUS CHRIST IS GOD.

What does the Bible say about "family reconciliation"?
Matt 10:35-36 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household.

What does the Bible say about "church reconciliation"?
1 Cor 5:12-13 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within? But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

Yeah, folks, this debate is filled with "sincere" Christians and those that are "sincerely wrong". I have my doubts as to those that are sincerely wrong (compromise the Word of God) are true Christians. As a matter of fact, I KNOW that those who want to "value" and reconcile the perverts/homosexuals/sodomites to "families" and "churches" are NOT Christian. These folks don't love the God of TRUTH that I love.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Full of Grace and what? T_R_U_T_H!

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

What came by Jesus Christ? Grace and what? Love? Grace and T_R_U_T_H.!

John 4:23-24 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Does the Bible, "any Bible version", say that we must worship God in spirit and IN LOVE?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Listen up--John 14:6 does NOT say, "I am the way, the LOVE, and the life.

John 8:32 "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free".

This verse does NOT say " And ye shall know LOVE, and this LOVE shall make you free".

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Those that say "they are on the side of love" do not have the Spirit of TRUTH, because they are of the world. They are NOT Children of God.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

Christians are indwelled with the Spirit of TRUTH, not LOVE.

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

God magnifies His Word "above" His Name. (Psalms 138:2)

GOD IS A GOD OF TRUTH. God is a God of LOVE so far as people believe the TRUTH.

Those that reject His TRUTH go to an eternal hell/lake of fire. So much for LOVE without TRUTH.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness

Those that say "they are on the side of love", hold the truth in unrighteousness

Rom 1:25-27 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Those that condone this lifestyle and compromise God's Truth ALSO change the truth of God into a lie. They "participate" in this destructible abomination before God. Condoning is participating. (Rev 18:4)

Gal 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:

We are not to "speak" in love, and "overlook" in love, or "compromise" in love, or "condone" in love. We are to SPEAK THE TRUTH in love.

What about this God of LOVE? How are we to love Him? How can we know if we love Him like He wants us to? How are we to love others? How can we know if we love others like God wants us too? SIMPLE. Ask God.

I Jn 5:2-3 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Are you satisfied with His answer? By the way--notice God says that we are to love "the children of God". We are NOT to love the world and the children of the devil in the sense that we "fellowship" with them. We are to love them enough to try and CONVERT them. We are to try and make them ONE OF US and THEN we are to love them for WHO THEY ARE.

Matt 5:43-44 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy.But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Mark 12:30-31 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment. And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

All right--Love is very important to God. He wants us to love Him and our brethren AND our enemies. SO--what does the Bible say again about loving God?

I Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we "keep his commandments": and his commandments are not grievous.

The Bible says this about loving our brethren.

I Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and "keep his commandments".

The Bible says this about loving our enemies.

Matt 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

This doesn't say to "condone" our enemies and keep silent for fear of "offending" them, it says to "bless" them and "pray" for them.

What can blessing do?

Acts 3:26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Blessings can turn one from sin.

What can prayer do?

The prayer of a righteous man can do much. (James 5:16)

1 Cor 4:12 And labour, working with our own hands: being reviled, we bless; being persecuted, we suffer it:

Why do the Sodomites/homosexuals revile us when we bless them while condemning their sin? Because we heap coals upon their heads.

Rom 12:20-21 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

Folks--THE CHURCH IS BEING OVERCOME WITH EVIL by replacing GOD'S TRUTH with LOVE AND GOOD
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A Tale of Two Sisters
The Tragedy of Ecumenical Unfaithfulness
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With heart so kind and gentle,
And sympathetic eye;
With touching deep affection,
And loyal, tender tie-

Was LOVE betrothed to DOCTRINE
To hold him all her days,
And walk the path of gladness
United in His ways.

Her younger sister also
Had qualities so fair,
Of caring, selfless, kindness,
And warmth without compare;

Thus UNITY was drawn to
The husband of her youth;
And pledged herself forever
To be the bride of TRUTH.

But TIME, with bitter envy,
Across the testing years.
Pursued the slow erosion
Of happiness to tears;

Till LOVE begin to weary
Of DOCTRINE'S pleasant voice,
And UNITY grew cold to
The partner of her choice.

Then LOVE begin to notice
The charms of HERESY,
And awed by his opinions,
She wanted to be free;

And UNITY perceived that
Her virtues were desired
By many, many others
Whose ways she so admired.

At length, two precious unions,
So promising, so blest,
Were darkened by delusion,
Disloyalty, unrest;

Till came the day of sorrows,
And rendering vows of youth,
When LOVE divorced her DOCTRINE
And UNITY her TRUTH.

-Author unknown

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Do I Underestimate The Power Of The Holy Spirit?
By Andy Neckar

This article was written in response to a subscriber that wrote and told me I underestimate the power of the Holy Spirit, in that some folks are saved in ecumenical crusades. I say these folks are saved in spite of not because of the unscriptural gathering.

I NEVER underestimate the power of the Holy Spirit. God's Word will not return to Him void. (Isaiah 55:11).

I don't underestimate the power of the Holy Spirit, I preach OBEDIENCE to the Holy Spirit of God that prompts us to obedience.

HEY- I ALWAYS preach that it is NOT the MESSENGER it is THE MESSAGE (gospel) that saves. God can be pleased with the messenger if they do it His way and give rewards for their obedience to His Word, or He can be displeased and even chasten, if the disobedient messenger be His child.

I preach that a prostitute in need of drugs can stand on a street corner and preach the gospel in order to "pass the hat" to purchase drugs, and some people may get saved. IT IS THE MESSAGE, NOT THE MESSENGER.

Do we condone or praise the drug-taking harlot for preaching the gospel? DO WE? MANY people that preach the gospel of Christ will one-day burn in HELL.

Matt 7:22-23 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

You see, God's Word, when spoken or read, IS ALIVE. IT needs no help. His Word is not like our words. GOD'S WORD IS ALIVE.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

What about the twoedged sword? It is the WORD of GOD.

Rev 1:16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

And out of His mouth went the WORD of GOD.

Rev 2:12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges;

These things saith he which hath the WORD of GOD.

Rev 2:16 Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

The twoedged sword of His mouth. The Word of God. Jesus Christ is the WORD of GOD and when He speaks the Word of God it is referred as the twoedged sword of His mouth

John 1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

Jesus Christ has no words of His own. He is the WORD of GOD.
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What is Worldly?
When Christians can no longer define what is "worldly", when they cannot tell the difference between the holy and the profane. When they cannot discern between the natural and the spiritual, when entertainment is accepted as worship to a Holy God, when preachers give the people what they want rather than what they need, and when the Bible is no longer considered the final authority, we should know that the end-time deception has taken it's toll.

An expression used by Christians years ago said: "You're so heavenly minded, you're no earthly good ". Today it has changed to" You're so earthly minded, you're no heavenly good".

Lev 22:2 Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, that they separate themselves from the holy things of the children of Israel, and that they profane (blaspheme) not my holy name in those things which they hallow (devote-offer) unto me: I am the LORD.

Jer 5:30-31 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land; The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

The word "wonderful" here means, a stunning thing, a devastating thing, a wasteful thing, an amazing thing. A ruining thing.

The religious leaders rule by their power. The power they receive from the people because they teach what the people want to hear and the people LOVE IT. The false prophets are popular and powerful. They have a LARGE following.

If they do this NOW, (in Jeremiah's time) what will it be like in the FUTURE?
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Goat Herders
By Andy Neckar

Folks, if through my writings I am enabled by God to warn others of spiritual deception in the world and in the churches, then I glory whenever I hear that someone may have been enlightened by reading a certain article or two.

But, I KNOW it is the MESSAGE and not the MESSENGER And I KNOW it is the HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD that does the CONVICTING and CONVINCING and exposes the CONNIVER to the hearts of them that "come out from among them"?

This is beginning to occur more frequently here lately, while others write and speak of coming out beforehand, and the web page is an encouragement to them and reinforces their convictions of former deception.

Folks--God is calling His children out from among them (the apostate churches) and they are heeding His call in utmost heartfelt gratitude. PRAISE GOD!

I was called out of the Roman Catholic Church while reading my Roman Catholic Bible. (The New American Bible) It was the MESSAGE, and God is able to preserve His MESSAGE in some of the strangest places.

More than a year ago I received a testimony from a man that said he was at a bar drinking and smoking marijuana right before Easter, and someone, as a prank, gave out plastic Easter eggs stuffed with a condom and pages torn from a stolen Gideon Bible. His contained a page from the book of Acts, which he read, and he couldn't help but gather all the plastic eggs he could and collect the pages therein. Reading ALL of those pages later that night brought him to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, and was the beginning of a long and "ever learning" walk with the Lord.

Folks, it's the MESSAGE and not the MESSENGER. With "lost sinners" preaching the MESSAGE, souls can be saved and pulled from the path leading to the pits of hell.

Some people, like me, are saved while "reading" a message (Gospel of Christ in a Bible-perverted or not) while others are saved by "hearing" a message. (Gospel of Christ) with no book involved. Satan has been able to pervert much DOCTRINE but he has not been allowed to pervert the GOSPEL.

The Messengers of Christ can holler and warn all we want. We can bark like watch dogs all day and all night, (Isaiah 56:10) with tears, (Acts 20:31) but we cannot stop the great falling away going on in the world today. (2 Thess 2:3) There is nothing we can do but WARN, PREACH and TEACH. God will do the rest through His Spirit that works in the hearts of His children, and convicts the lost of their need for Jesus Christ through His Gospel: which we should be preaching in the highways and hedges. (Luke 14:23)

The church should be GOING OUT to the highways and hedges and not CALLING INTO THE CHURCH the sinners, and conforming the services to cater to them.

We have many "goat herders" in behind the pulpits today, but very few "shepherds of sheep". The goats hear the voice of the "herder" because it is the voice they are accustomed to. It is the voice of the WORLD. The goats hear the voice of the "herder" and he knows them and they follow him. HE IS ONE OF THEM.
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Churches Inoculating Children Against Salvation
(An excerpt from the "The Dallas Morning News"- 07/17/99)

Angela Hudson was 3 when she knelt by a recliner at home and prayed for Jesus to come into her heart.

"At first, she wouldn't receive the message," said her mother, Connie Hudson. "For days she wouldn't. But finally she decided it was time."

Now 8, Angela prays with her mother every day in a vacuum cleaner closet under the stairs. She recently led her little sister, Christin, 3, to believe in Jesus while they were sitting in the bathtub.

"I told her to repeat the prayer after me," said Angela, wearing a frilly white dress and sitting on her mother's lap in a ballroom last week at the Hyatt Regency Hotel in Dallas.

The Hudsons, who live in The Colony, were in the audience at a children's ministry seminar led by David Walters, a Georgia-based evangelist on the cutting edge of a phenomenon sweeping Pentecostalism: turning children as young as toddlers into "warriors for God."

Through intense training in prayer and Bible study, parents believe they can fight off what they believe are Satan's attacks. The children, they say, may go on to become prophets and healers.

With names like National Children's Prayer Network, Spiritual Warfare Ad-vanced Training, International Children's Ministry Institute, Super Kidz 4 Christ and Nothin' but Jesus Ministries Inc., dozens of children's ministries are popping up with the purpose of "armoring" children with the Holy Spirit.

An array of forces seems to be driving parents to instill the faith in their children at younger and younger ages: belief that the end of the world is near, television violence, fallout from President Clinton's moral failings and the Colorado school shooting.

"If Satan can't kill through abortion, he'll kill them through other stuff," said Mr. Walters. "It's almost a last desperate final fling to destroy this generation because he knows there is coming this holy, righteous, anointed generation that's going to do mighty things in these last days.

"Our children," he said, "could be the last generation on this earth before the return of Christ."

[Editor] Little three-year-olds believe in MANY things. They believe in "Pooh Bear" if they are introduced to it. They believe in the "Cookie Monster" if they watch certain television programs. And they will believe in "Jesus" if "programmed" by teachers/parents

Folks--belief IN Jesus is not the way of salvation. A person MUST come to realize that they are a "sinner" justly condemned to an eternal hell by a sin hating God. Listen up now--three-year-old and even children as young as " toddlers " do not have the capacity to become "Spirit filled Warriors for Christ"

A person must understand and believe the "gospel" of Christ. That is "His death" and "why" He died. AND His "bodily resurrection". We MUST believe this "according to the scriptures"

1 Cor 15:3-4 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

We MUST believe in Christ's bodily resurrection.

1 Cor 15:17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.

You see, people do not receive the Holy Spirit until they are "saved" from their sins. In order to receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit of God one MUST come to "repentance before God" and "faith towards the Lord Jesus Christ" Toddlers and three-year-olds do not have the mental capacity to do this..

I preach, because the Bible teaches, that toddlers and even three-year-olds HAVE salvation. If they die "very young" they go to heaven. Very young children know right from wrong many times, but they DO NOT KNOW GOOD FROM EVIL. Sin came into the world when Adam and Eve came to the knowledge of GOOD AND EVIL (Gen 2:17)

Deut 1:39 Moreover your little ones, which ye said should be a prey, and your children, which in that day had no knowledge between good and evil, they shall go in thither, and unto them will I give it, and they shall possess it.

Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

When Paul was a young child he had no law. But when he came to the "knowledge" of the law (good and evil) sin killed him. He needed salvation. If very young children, even toddlers, must 'believe in Jesus" and in doing so they are "armoring children with the Holy Spirit" then this means that toddlers are LOST IN THEIR SINS and GOING TO HELL. You believe that?

I will now repeat what I have "earnestly" said MANY times before. Praying for Jesus to come into your heart is NOT SALVATION.

Folks, listen up now! THIS IS SALVATION.

Acts 20:21 Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

"If Satan can't kill through abortion, he'll kill them through other stuff," said Mr. Walters. "It's almost a last desperate final fling to destroy this generation because he knows there is coming this holy, righteous, anointed generation that's going to do mighty things in these last days".

Satan is killing through these programs " With names like National Children's Prayer Network, Spiritual Warfare Ad-vanced Training, International Children's Ministry Institute, Super Kidz 4 Christ and Nothin' but Jesus Ministries Inc., dozens of children's ministries are popping up with the purpose of "armoring" children with the Holy Spirit."

The Bible teaches that there is NOT going to be a " holy, righteous, anointed generation that's going to do mighty things in these last days".

THIS is what the Bible teaches.

II Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

2 Tim 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Do you know just what these programs are REALLY doing. They are inoculating these children against Jesus Christ. They are "immunizing" these children from the gospel of salvation.

If I was inoculated against the smallpox virus back when it was raging rampant, but was given a "false" inoculation, I would not seek a true one, nor would I pay heed to receiving "another" because I was led to believe I was already inoculated against this deadly disease.

The reason why Christ asks will there be any faith when He comes again (Luke 18:8) is because the churches are indoctrinating and inoculating the end times generation against the saving gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of the living God.

WAKE UP FOLKS. Protect your children. These teachings are spreading fast. Other Protestant churches, even Baptists, are falling for this ploy of Satan.
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NEWS WATCH

DON'T CALL SCHULLER A CHRISTIAN
Robert Schuller long ago bid good-bye to Paul's teaching on sin and no longer wants to be called a "Christian" because it cuts him off from Hindus and Muslims (6/99 The Discerner). He does not preach that Christ is the only way to heaven and that Christianity is the only saving faith (7/19 C News).
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BIBLE STUDY DRAWS CROWD TO BAR
Charisma editor Lee Grady (8/99) told of Catholic priest John Zenz's "Theology on Tap" Bible study in a Birmingham, Mich. pub. He said: "Apparently this mixture of booze and Bibles was a hit with tavern patrons, as 150 people crammed in the hack of the bar to hear Zenz while they sipped Guinness and Bass Ale." Grady said: "I hope Zenz's philosophy sparks a trend. Imagine what could happen if compassionate Christians took Bible studies into every bar….You don't think Jesus would take His message into a pub? Actually, He spent most of his time there, hanging out with tax collectors, prostitutes and the riff-raff...." He suggests that readers "Invade your local bar with your own version of 'Theology on Tap'"
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SEEKER WORSHIP
The seeker worship service is geared to the consumer. If he doesn't want to be "preached to, then "share" with him. If he is sensitive about what used to be called sin, then empathize with him about his needs, his brokenness, his hurt. If he doesn't want to be put on a "guilt trip" at church, then don't mention God's law, judgment, responsibility or accountability. If he mainly wants what religion can do for him, then give him an upbeat talk about how Christ can enrich his life (7/17 World). Be afraid to offend, baptize pop-psychology with a Bible verse or two, put together a contemporary rock band and you will send him home entertained but empty.
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CNV NOTES
I missed writing last months newsletter. Been busy knocking on doors witnessing the gospel of Christ in my community among other things. Between the web site, newsletter, and e-mail news service, Community Bible Chapel, witnessing, and correspondence with subscribers I can hardly keep up.

We Must Earnestly Contend For The Faith-Jude 1:3
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