Vol. 3 Number 10, Oct. 1997
Editor-Andy Neckar

Inside This Newsletter

1. CHURCHES LACKING SELF DISCIPLINE
2. A LETTER TO MY CHILDREN
3. A LETTER FROM BILL GOTHARD
4. MY RESPONSE TO THE LETTER
5. NEWS WATCH
6. CN&V'S NOTES
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CHURCHES LACKING SELF DISCIPLINE
By Andy Neckar

Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. (KJV)

Christian obedience to this "one" commandment of God, in many cases, leads to the disobedience of many other commandments of God as recorded in God's Word to us. That Word is revealed to us in the King James Version of the Bible.

Now-I believe Heb 10:25 refers to the CHURCH. Now , many of the assemblies gathered together today are not the "CHURCH", but are the "church". This will be a hodge podge (mixed multitude ) of people. It is hard for a "believer" to assemble oneself together with, and exhort one another in a mixed multitude of people. How can one "exhort one another" (another member of the Body of Christ) if there be none others present in many cases? If there be others present, but are knowingly and willfully in disobedience to Christ, then fellowship in this particular assembly can be dangerous to the obedient believer because of the mixed multitude.

The "Body of Christ", that is, members of Christ's Body, is not made up of a mixed multitude. Our physical bodies are not made up of a mixed multitude of flesh. (human, animal, fowl of the air, fish of the sea) and neither is the Body of Christ made up of a mixed multitude of people. His Body is made up of a spiritual body of "like faith".

Assembling in fellowship, according to Heb 10:25, is for "believers". God does not command the "heathen" to assemble in fellowship, or for that matter disobedient brethren. When the CHURCH gathers for fellowship, it is "this" CHURCH or assembly of believers that must be purified.

A little leaven leavens the whole lump. A little cancer of the physical body permeates the whole body and ends in the destruction of that body, especially if left untreated or left to grow.

The sad thing about the lack of church discipline is that we do not have to try and figure out what to do and how to go about it. The commandment is given along with instructions, so that there is no excuse.

As I said in last month's newsletter. In the churches (assembly) today we have a mixed multitude. This fellowship consists of true believers who try to be obedient to Christ, true believers who are knowingly and willfully in disobedience to Christ, and un-believers (heretics, or heathen).

God commands the "Body of Christ" to separate from a group such as this, or the "Body of Christ" within that group ( or assembly) should dis-fellowship the rest. A little leaven leavens the whole lump.

Let me clarify one more thing. If religious people assemble themselves together in an open field, building or whatever, it is called a church gathering. Now, if everyone there are "true believers" it is a "CHURCH" gathering with maybe a remnant of curious people. One of the meanings for curious is odd and a synonym for odd is foreign. Foreign to the Body of Christ. The foreigners will either get saved or they will not stay long if the assembly is "controlled" by the "CHURCH". Disobedient brethren living in gross sin will be purged from the assembly, "to deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus". (1 Cor 5:5) (KJV) This will take place if the "CHURCH ASSEMBLY" itself is in obedience to Christ.

You see, Christ commands us to fellowship with others of "like faith" We are not to fellowship (assemble ourselves together) with those who preach a false gospel, (Catholicism, Mormonism, ect.). We are not to assemble ourselves together with believers in "willful" disobedience to God. We are to treat these willful disobedient believers as heathen if they will not listen to the "CHURCH". (Matt 18: 15-17)

Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works: (KJV)

Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. (KJV)

We are to consider one another, to provoke each other to obedience, not tempt ourselves by associating ourselves with the "wrong crowd". Nowhere does it say in God's Word that we are to consider one another as not to offend them in reproving (blame, criticize, censure, denounce) their manifest sin.

Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. (KJV)

What I preach about is the "fact" that the assembly in many churches is no longer an assembly of "believers". It is a "mixed multitude". The "Body of Christ" within that group is no longer in control because they too, are in willful disobedience to Christ. The leaven is leavening the lump. The "CHURCH" no longer is willing to "offend" the disobedient brother by adhering to God's instructions to the "CHURCH". God instructs us by way of commandment. God does not "ask" us, He "commands" us to discipline disobedient brethren-for our own good. He "knows" our weaknesses. He "knows" what tolerance and compromise will accomplish. Do you?

Tolerance and compromise will accomplish the "ruin" of a Christian.. It will lead to a diminished witness. I say "diminished" instead of "loss" of witness, because "there will be a witness." The heathen will say, "Where is their God?"(Ps 79:10; Ps 115:2) They will say, "where is their God that leads them in righteousness?" "They live like I do".

You know, error will win out over truth every time. God knows this. Sin will win out over righteousness if allowed to intermingle. God knows this. Disobedience will win out over obedience if left to ferment. God knows this. He commands separation. We know this. Why do we refuse to do this?

Is this the kind of witness God desires? Are we to be the "salt", or the "vinegar" of the earth? Are we not to declare His glory and marvelous works among the heathen? (I Chr.16:24) Do we hinder God's will that He be exalted among the heathen? (Ps 46:10)

I spoke of some of the disobedience in the churches in my last newsletter. Minor disobedience some say, but is there such a thing as a minor sin against our God? Many churches have Godly pastors who along with their family (wife and children) strive to obey God in "all" things. The pastor's wife usually has long hair and appropriate clothing as does his children.. He sets a good example and God is well pleased. Is it so hard to follow the pastors good example? How then will you follow Christ?

Christians (God's children) should "act" like Christians. They should "look" like Christians. They should "talk" like Christians. We have in many cases, Christians in the CHURCH today that "act and talk" like Christians, but do not "look" like Christians. Look around you and see. Do you see "God's standards" in the appearance of those around you, or do you see the "standards of the world". Look and see and think about it.. Better yet. Pray about it.

God "wants" a pure church. He "tells" us how to purify it. He "commands" us to purify it. "Will" we purify it? Pastors, it's up to you to begin the process.. You are the shepherd. (leader).

If "your" assembly practices church discipline and Biblical separation you have found a RARE GEM. Praise God for it.

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A LETTER TO MY CHILDREN
Proclaiming family blessings, and growing in faith.

Written by Andy Neckar on May 17 1995

In God's Holy Name, I say: This family has been blessed by our God. Consider what is happening. Expenses are being met. Education is going good. Transportation is adequate. Those who can work are employed. Job prospects are good for those going to school. We are all together. Plans are being made. The future looks bright (if the Lord tarries). The family is growing. We are not left wanting. We are comfortable. Home improvements are accomplished. Medical insurance is provided. Vacation time is possible. Corey (grandson) is doing good in school. He runs fast. He loves his Papa & Mema. He loves his uncles. We are reasonably healthy. Son-Son (Andrew Jr.) has married in the Lord. Baby Katerina is fine. Much joy will come from her. Daughter-in-law (Betty) loves us. We love her. This is not the case in all families. Teresa (daughter) is a blessing to me. She gives me more than I deserve. Richard (son) has become my buddy. Andrew is there to help in my calling when I say the word. We support each other. What can I say about Mom? It is because of her this family is still together. She is the tie that binds.

I have a calling from God. I write for the Lord. Knowledge and discernment increases. Fellowship and patience with each other grows daily. Priorities are being changed as the influence of the Spirit begins to dominate. Self examination (judging oneself) is becoming evident. We have courage to speak out when we must. Unbiblical actions and speech vex our spirits. Our convictions do not let us conform to the world. From Mom down to Corey, the work of the Holy Spirit is evident.

God's nature is enjoyed as never before. Grass and weeds and flowers and mammals are noted. There is pleasure in dogs and cats, trucks and gardens, accomplishments and plans, and a job well done.

The presence of God is experienced daily. Joy, peace and contentment increases. I experience respect from a devoted wife and respectful children. I have been made to know my place, and to stay within my bounds. The joy of being together is immeasurable.. I say that I have enjoyed my family more in the last three years than I ever have before. God is good. God makes up for our past mistakes and lost time.

God has blessed our lives, and our home. God is directing our lives. God is preserving our lives. There is change in the air. Life is good.

As the Lord Jesus sits at His Fathers right hand expectant, I live my life expectant, never knowing what the Lord will do next.

I cannot count the blessings that we have received just this year. But there can be even more. Consider this.

Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. (KJV)

The Lord says, prove me now. See if I will do as I say.

Mal 3:11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts. (KJV)

Here God says that if we do tithe, He will not allow the devourer to take away our income.

Consider this. Which will ye have?

Mal 3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. (KJV)

Mal 3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. (KJV)

Count your blessings. Name them one by one. Count your many blessings. See what God has done.

Love Dad

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A LETTER FROM BILL GOTHARD
President-Institute in Basic Life Principles
Sept. 17 1997

Andy Neckar
Christian News and Views

Dear Andy,

I was pleased to get acquainted with you via the Internet, and to learn about the marvelous way in which the Lord has brought you to salvation through faith in the finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ. I want to commend you for your goal of contending for the faith, and especially for your desire to speak the truth in love.

You are correct in affirming that truth without love is harsh and mean spirited, yet love without truth leads to compromise and false teaching. In the spirit of speaking the truth in love, I would appeal to you to reconsider the article that you have placed about me on the Internet.

After reading your personal testimony, I can understand the concerns which you have which, no doubt, prompted you to publish the article by John E. Ashbrook entitled 'Bill Gothard's Ecumenism.'

The first problem with this article is that it is not totally truthful in regard to sponsorship of a Basic Seminar and why there are large crowds who attend. The Institute is the sole sponsor of the seminar. Churches or local committees do not "sponsor" the seminar in the way this article reports. They have no authority to influence the policies or the message, nor do pastors come as official representatives of their churches.

Those who attend the seminar come by the word-of-mouth recommendation of alumni who have been spiritually helped by the Biblical principles that they learn and apply to their lives, marriages, and families. It is the transformed lives that attract the large crowds, not the promotion of pastors. Ordinarily, the cooperation of a pastor is simply to allow an alumnus to tell the church how the Biblical principles learned at the seminar changed his or her life.

Since people from all walks of life have these problems, they come to the week-long seminar for answers. Many of them have very serious marriage, family, or financial problems. When they hear Biblical principles and apply them, they are desirous of further teaching, which often directs them to find a church with such teaching. This is similar to what happened to you as you grew in the Lord.

The real issue is not who invites us, or who attends the seminars, but whether the teaching of Biblical principles in a public seminar is a proper way of fulfilling the command of Galatians 6:10. 'As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith." Even though some believers are in a church that does not measure up to Biblical standards, they are still "members of the household of faith', and deserving of any good that we can do for them.

Jesus did not screen out the publicans and Pharisees from His meetings. On the contrary, he responded to an invitation from a Pharisee to attend a dinner in his home with other Pharisees.

The inaccuracy in this article is not appropriate for any audience, especially for the world wide web. However, an equally great concern to me is the bad light in which this article puts all fundamentalists. Notice what John Ashbrook states:

"That explains the mixed crowd at a Gothard seminar, which will run the gamut from Catholic priests and nuns, to the ecumenical crowd, to the new evangelical crowd. That is bad, but the tragedy is that the audience will be well sprinkled with professing fundamentalists. The fellowship of sitting for six days with that mixed multitude makes the fundamentalist layman go home saying, 'The priest I sat beside was a very nice fellow.' Attitudes toward false religion and plain unbelief are softened by participation."

In this statement, the writer depicts fundamentalists as spiritually impotent, and incapable of being salt and light, even when sitting under the teaching of Biblical truth. In such a setting, it should be an easy matter for those who know the Truth to greatly influence those who have come looking for answers. This is precisely what has happened over the past thirty years in seminars.

Often during the seminar breaks, fundamental Christians have helped first timers receive Christ as Saviour, and then have helped them apply what they have learned. A follow-up course is also designed for this purpose. To call this 'bad" and a "tragedy" is astonishing.

Andy, I accept and appreciate your statement that "Jesus had compassion on the multitudes, but publicly rebuked erring leaders." Christ publicly condemned the scribes and Pharisees in Matthew 23:13-33. However, he did not identify any individuals by name. If Jesus followed this policy with the Pharisees and publicans, could you not show the same spirit of love and truth to a fellow believer?

I would be very happy to talk with you further and answer any questions that you have about me or this ministry. I am committed to standing for the truth, whatever the cost. I believe the growing rejection of the seminar ministry by churches who react to our standards of Godliness is a testimony to this commitment. However, the fruit of the message is producing results that are bringing glory to God and advancing His kingdom.

It is my prayer that God will give you wisdom and understanding in all that you do, and bless the work of your hands.

Sincerely in Christ

Bill Gothard

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MY RESPONSE TO THE LETTER

Dear Bill

I believe we should first CONVERT the PROFESSING CHRISTIANS (those putting their faith in a false church teaching a false gospel).before we assemble ourselves together with them to learn Biblical Principles. Why should we Bible Study with unbelievers?

2 Cor 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? (KJV)

2 Cor 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? (KJV)

2 Cor 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. (KJV)

Bible Study together is "yoking together".

In paragraph seven of your letter to me you say that some believers are in a church that does not measure up to Biblical standards, but are still "members of the household of faith". If you are here referring to the Roman Catholic Church, I say you are wrong. Please read the article on my web page "Can A Catholic Be Saved", by Dave Hunt of the Berean Call.

You question my "name calling," but didn't the Apostle Paul name names? (1 Timothy 1:20; 2 Timothy 2:17) Are you implying that you would have no problem if I rebuked erring leaders in generality, or non-specifically? Didn't Paul rebuke the Apostle Peter and write about it?

In paragraph eleven you mention that the writer (John Ashbrook) depicts fundamental Christians as spiritually impotent. But on the contrary, fundamental Christians in practicing Biblical separation "manifest" the Spiritual discernment imparted by the Holy Spirit of God. The "salt and light" of Bible Believing, Bible Practicing Believers can be illustrated by just four words. "OBEDIENCE TO GOD'S WORD"

I appreciate your teaching of Biblical Principles dealing in marriage, family and financial problems. But for a Christian ministry to teach Biblical principles to people of all faiths and applying these principles to worldly problems before spiritual matters is wrong. The Apostle Paul did not arrange to have the Ephesian worshippers of the pagan goddess Diana (un-believers) assemble themselves together with those who believed the gospel of Christ to learn Biblical Principles relating to family and financial matters. If you pattern your ministry after Jesus Christ, why do "you" do this?\

Christ publicly rebuked erring leaders in general because at the time "all" Pharisees and publicans were in error, but today not "all' ministries are erroneous. Anyway, Christ says to mark them. (Rom 16:17)

Gal 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith. (KJV)

I believe you do not discern the "time" or "method" of opportunity to do good unto others. Do not mix leaven in with the lump.

Sincerely
Andy Neckar
Editor-Christian News & Views

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NEWS WATCH

In Holland, has "a right to die" become "a duty to die"?
According to a special report publisher in the Sept.'97 issue of "Readers Digest", Dr. Herbert Hendin, medical director of the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention who has studied euthanasia in the Netherlands notes that "what was intended as a solution for exceptional cases has become a routine way of dealing with terminal cases. The Netherlands has moved from euthanasia for the terminally ill, to euthanasia for the chronically ill, from euthanasia for physical illness to euthanasia for psychological distress, and from voluntary to involuntary euthanasia."

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Is a "duty to die" coming to America?
"Is There a Duty to Die?" is the title of a shocking article in "The Hastings Center Report" (3 -4/97), a respected journal focusing on medical ethics. In the article, John Hardwig, a professor of medical ethics and social philosophy at East Tennessee State University, questions traditional beliefs: "Modern medicine and an individualistic culture have seduced many into believing that they have a light to health care and a right to live--despite the burdens and costs to our families and societies.

Hardwig not only believes that euthanasia may be a duty for the terminally ill, but also, he writes, "there may be a fairly common responsibility to end one's life in the absence of any terminal illness at all." He believes the duty to die should be easier to accept as we grow older because "we will be giving up less. . . . We will sacrifice fewer remaining years of life"

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UMC studying "right to die".
Death with dignity. A right to die. Supreme Court hearings on physician-assisted suicide. Amid the slogans and headlines, conversations about dying are springing up throughout the United States.

"I think the discussion is healthy," said Sally Brown Geis, a sociologist recently retired from the faculty at Iliff School of Theology, Denver, one of 13 United Methodist seminaries in the country.

The United Methodist laywoman commented that she does not want to see a rush to closure on this issue. She expressed the hope for more discussion and avoidance of a rigid rule.

"We need the very best and most thoughtful minds -- and hearts -- we can bring to this subject," Geis said. "The church needs to speak, or it [the issue] is going to be settled by the secular society,"

{Editors Note-- Church or secular society? A point to ponder. It seems to me that the U.S. Congress is taking a stronger stance against the legitimacy of homosexuality that are many of the organized churches. So-why trust the organized church in "this" decision? I believe the organized churches, collectively, are leading the world into apostasy. I believe we have more to fear from the organized churches than we do from the government. In time THE CHURCHES WILL RULE THIS WORLD.]

Geis and the Rev. Donald E. Messer, Iliff president and theology professor, are co-editors of How Shall We Die? Helping Christians Debate Suicide, a collection of essays dealing with specific cases. Geis said the book, to be published by Abingdon in April, is an attempt to stimulate a gentle, rational dialogue about suicide -- a topic both she and Messer feel could polarize the Christian community.

"It hits individual human families where they live," she observed. According to Geis, Christians need to understand several facts:
* People are being kept alive who do not want to be.
* Public spending on medical care for the elderly is 15 times greater than expenditures of public funds on medical care for children, although a greater proportion of children in this country are poor. (United Methodist News Service, Jan. 13, 1997) [underlining is mine]

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Episcopal Church Apologies to Homosexuals
The Episcopal Church ended its 10 day national convention July 25 by issuing an apology to gays and lesbians. Lay leaders and bishops voted to approve the apology, which expresses regret and repentance for the "rejection and mistreatment" of gays and lesbians by the church, according to news reports. (Religion News Today-7/28/97)

[Editor] How about that. If the gays and lesbians refuse to repent of their sinful lifestyle before God, the "church" will repent to the homosexuals. "Denominational churches" are the "head" of the "religion of the world", the "New Christianity". But Praise God, I am a member of THE CHURCH with CHRIST as HEAD.

The apostate churches of the New One World Religion are not leading souls to salvation, but are leading the people to where they themselves are going. Unless the churches repent and believe the gospel of Christ, the power of God unto salvation unto everyone that believes, (Rom 1:16) the COOL MESSAGE they deliver will lead them into a HOT HELL.

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Repentance (a changing of the heart) not good enough.
Carl Ellis, an African American who heads the Chattanooga-based Project Joseph, which equips Christians to meet the challenge of Islam says of the Promise Keepers upcoming event, "Stand in the Gap" in Washington, D.C., emphasizing on racial reconciliation,

"Tears and hugs and saying I'm sorry is a good first step, but for me, the question is not one of changing the hearts of individuals as [much as] it is dealing with the systems and the structures that are devastating African-American people," (Excerpted from Christianity Today, 9/1/97)
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PK Downsizing
From 1990 to 1996, Promise Keepers grew at an astronomical rate. But in 1997 attendance at its 19 major stadium events has declined by an average of 25%.

Last year, 1.1 million men attended 22 PK stadium events, income totaled nearly $90 million, and there were almost 500 employees.

But attendance at this year's stadium events is down by about 25 percent. One reason is that many plan instead to go to Stand in the Gap, which has no admission fee, rather than a stadium rally, which has a $60 registration fee. "They're basically saying that they've been there, done that, bought the T-shirt, and worn it out," says spokesperson Steve Ruppe.

Ruppe declines to give specifics about the number of layoffs or whether the ministry will maintain its high levels of minority employment. But he confirmed that PK has decreased its 1997 budget by around $30 million. CEO Bill McCartney says the restructuring "is painful for me personally." (Excerpted from Christianity Today, 9/1/97)

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Prostitutes to play by the rules
Female prostitutes in the sleazy market area of downtown Mexico City Tuesday won a long-sought right to ply their trade in exchange for agreeing to wear sensible clothes and behave nicely. In an unprecedented accord signed with city authorities, they agreed not to wear skirts more than four fingers above the knee, or see-through clothing before 10 p.m. Other concessions: No soliciting near schools and churches, strict hours of business, no drinking on the street or bad language and only women allowed. In exchange, city officials agreed that the prostitutes could work on designated streets.
(InfoBeat News Service 9/4/97)

[Editor] Makes one think about what ecumenism will eventually bring about. How about that? Moral-Law Abiding Prostitutes?. Will God be well pleased? We can already see some of the results of the "social gospel". The world is doing away with sinners. Not by regeneration of the heart of all who believe the "gospel of Christ", but by legalizing and condoning what God calls sin. Folks, as sin (by God's standards) is replaced by morality, (by the world's standards) hell will be just as full. Remember, morality outside of Christ (Eph 2: 12-13) is as filthy rags in God's eyes.(Isa 64:6)

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Secular Rock Concert & A Few Religious Commercials.
ANAHEIM, Calif. -- A four-night Southern California Harvest Crusade at Anaheim Stadium drew 142,000 people of all ages, bringing the eight-year total for Orange County Harvest Crusades to over 1million. The Aug. 15 "Harvest Jam" drew 52,000 to hear rockers Audio Adrenaline, Big Tent Revival, and the Kry, followed by an evangelistic message from Greg Laurie, who has been called "pastor to the boomers, busters and X-ers," Using lyrics from murdered rap star Tupac Shakur, Laurie illustrated the hopelessness that pervades modern culture." Shakur, who has become a hero to many, sang, 'I smoke a blunt to check the pain out. If I wasn't high, I would probably blow my brains out. I'm hopeless.'" Laurie said that Shakur was "trying to find fulfillment in all the wrong places.... Come to the God you've perhaps always known is there." Over the four-night event, some 13,500 indicated that they had made decisions to follow Jesus Christ.

[Editor] Something is very wrong here. Preach the gospel of Christ to people and a SMALL remnant may come to believe if God truly blesses the message. Tell "real" soul winners they can expect 10% of the people they witness the gospel of Christ to believe and make a public decision. I believe you will get from them the same response you get from me. NO WAY!!!\

Let me tell you what is going on here. You have a secular hard rock concert performed for the public with a few "religious commercials" thrown in. Guess who is paying for these commercials?. Most likely deceived believers (true believers deceived, and lost people deceived into thinking they are saved) who support the Southern California Harvest Crusade.

Sure-the kids will come to a god that will entertain them in a worldly fashion. They will come to ANYONE who will give them "what they want". THINK ABOUT IT.

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Info on Cardinal John O'Connor
Catholic Cardinal John O'Connor told his audience at St. Patrick's Cathedral in NY City on Sun. Nov. 24 that Adam & Eve "may have been some other form than human…" and "It is possible that when the two persons we speak of as Adam & Eve were created, it was some other form…Perhaps Adam was a lower animal".(Associated Press, Nov. 25, 1996) This statement comes one month after John Paul II said the theory of evolution is "more than just a hypothesis". O'Connor is the head of the NY archdiocese and is one of the most influential Catholic leaders in America.

[Editor] Such is typical of Roman Catholicism. Her apostasy increases as the world follows her to judgment.
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Elevation of Mary to Deity?
A movement within the Catholic Church to elevate the Virgin Mary to the status of deity has gained the quiet support of New York's Cardinal John O'Connor. The proposal calls for expanding the Trinity to form a new "Holy Quartet" in which Mary would be recognized as the daughter of God the Father and spouse of the Holy Spirit, as well as the mother of Jesus. Advocates have collected 4.3million signatures in support of the plan. A spokesman for O'Connor told the New York Daily News that the Cardinal believes the idea is "theologically sound," but opponents dismiss it as heresy. ( IBNS 8/22/97)

[Editor] Well-what do you think of Cardinal John O'Connor now? Again I say: The apostasy of the Roman church is GREATLY increasing. Last days are upon us folks.

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QUOTES

God can't build a great church with spare time and pocket change.

Happiness is the flag that flies from the window of the heart when the King is in residence.

The only alternative to soul winning is disobedience to Christ.

Did it ever occur to you that nothing ever occurred to God?

( All by the late Curtis Hutson. Former editor of The Sword of the Lord).

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NUGGETS

A new convert expressed the confidence he had in Christ: "I feel much better now when I feel bad than I used to feel when I felt good"
(Sword of the Lord 9/19/97)

(The following four nuggets are from "The Voice in the Wilderness", Box 210098 Dallas, TX 75211)

Many spend the first 6 days of the week sowing wild oats. Then they go to church on Sunday and pray for crop failure.-Fred Allen

If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principle difference between a dog and man.-Mark Twain

An empty tomb proves Christianity, an empty church denies it.

Christ is not valued at all unless He is valued above all.

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CN&V'S NOTES

This month I am trying out a new eight page format for the newsletter. Let me know what you think of it. I will try and improve on the format next month.

By the way, Messengers of Christ Ministries has received a (501-[C]-3) tax exempt status from the IRS. Also the postal service has granted the ministry a special bulk rate postal permit. I can now mail the newsletter at church rates. This will save about 60% in postal costs.

Please check out the Discernment Resources. If you do not need them maybe you could purchase them for someone else.

Beginning with this issue the newsletter will be mailed in a MCM envelope because the postal permit is issued to the ministry, not the newsletter.

A few subscribers have reprimanded me for applying for the tax exempt status saying that it will hinder my ministry. The only reason I applied was to save on postage costs. The cost of mailings were getting prohibitive and the ones doing the hollering did nothing to help defray expenses. Anyway, the 60% savings in postage will help pay for the added expense of printing a larger newsletter. God will provide.

Additional subscribers are always welcome, letters are appreciated and prayers are needed.

See you next month

We Must Earnestly Contend For The Faith.